The family of Epstein abuse survivor Virginia Giuffre says it was “shocking” to hear President Trump invoke her name and describe her as being “stolen” from Mar-a-Lago. MSNBC Legal Correspondent Lisa Rubin and New York Times Reporter Jeremy Peters join Chris Jansing to discuss the latest on the Epstein files fallout.

The move is part of an effort by Democrats to draw Senate Republicans into the debate over the release of the Epstein files, which has bitterly divided the House G.O.P. and wrought havoc in that chamber.